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Greetings and welcome to the Portugal Telecom 2011 Full Year Results. At this time all participant are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host Mr. Zeinal Bava, CEO of Portugal Telecom. Thank you. You may begin.
Zeinal Bava
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Zeinal Bava
Thank you very much. Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. On behalf of my team, thank you very much for being on this call. I am here with my CFO, Luís Pacheco de Melo, our IR Director, Nuno Vieira and our finance team as well. Today, of course we will be discussing our 2011 numbers. In 2011 Portugal Telecom reported consolidated operating revenues of Euro 6.147 million while EBITDA reached Euro 2.188 million. Consolidated EBITDA margin was 35.6% and it was underpinned by solid margin of the Portuguese telecommunication businesses that reached 45.1%, which is an increase of about 1.1% point year-on-year and I will go through that in a lot more detail later on in my presentation. Net income reached Euro 339 million and our basic earnings per share stood at about Euro 0.39. In 2011 our CapEx amounted to Euro 1.24 million that is about 20% of revenues. It is only a decrease compared to the previous year, very much in line with previous statements we made at the modernization program of Portugal Telecoms network and technology investments are coming to an end. CapEx in Portuguese telecommunication businesses stood at about 647 million and was primarily directed to the investment in the rollout of new technologies and services mainly our fiber-to-the-home network and our TV service, as well as investments we have made in swapping our 2G network to deploy the LTE network as well and of course customer growth. In 2011, EBITDA minus CapEx reached Euro 964 million, while EBITDA minus CapEx of the Portuguese businesses is amounted to Euro 659 million. In 2011 operating cash flow stood at Euro 1185 million. Free cash flow adjusted for the investment in Oi and Contax and the last installment that we received from Telefónica in relation to the Vivo transaction about Euro 2 million increased to Euro 533 million in 2011 and that compares with a negative of about 40 million in 2010. Net debt adjusted for tax effect and so on, amounted to Euro 4.068 million and our cost of debt continues to be very competitive and very attractive, which today stands at about 3.3%. Our cost of gross debt was 4.3%. The liquidity position of Portugal Telecom continues to be very strong. Cash, underwritten commercial paper lines and facilities was roughly [Euro 5095] million as at December 31, 2011. Our company as previously stated is fully funded until the end of 2013 and my CFO, Luís Pacheco de Melo will take you through some of the financial information in a lot more detail later on during this call. Let me now perhaps, still give you an overview of the operational performance at our company and perhaps start off by talking about the way that we are organized as a company, which in my view makes us pretty unique in that we believe that we have built in the last few years an organization structure that is customer-centric and it is well poised to take advantage, not just from the growth opportunities of traditional world but also maximizing synergies. We are, as you know, organized along business segments. So our customer segment, residential, personal enterprise and with regard to our international footprint, the way Portugal Telecom has been managing this for the last three to four years, ensures that we can leverage our know-how and we can bring to bear the scale to generate benefits not just for Portugal Telecom in Portugal but for all the businesses where we have an investment abroad. Portugal Telecom today has 93 million customers and we believe that we have a unique global profile. Our strategic focus is Portugal, Brazil and Africa. As you know, Portugal essentially gives us predictability of cash flow, especially now that the investments in the modernization of our network is coming to an end, Brazil gives us scale and Africa, and some of the investments we have in our Asian businesses is also giving us growth. We had in 2011, another year of growth. Our total revenue generating units grew by 9.2%. As I mentioned, we have over 93 million customers. This is very much in line with our stated objective of having more than 100 million subs. When that objective was defined, of course the business profile of Portugal Telecom was very different and if we were to do the same math with the previous investments we’ve had, namely in Vivo and in Morocco the total number of Portugal Telecoms would have surpassed 100 million subs. In Portugal across all our businesses we have also seen revenues generating unit growth and as well as in Brazil we have also had very strong RGU performance in Class I enterprises which are compensating for the loss that we are still seeing in the residential business. Let me now start by discussing Portugal and then of course come back and discuss Brazil and our other international businesses as well. In Portugal, residential revenues were up 5.4%, personal revenues were down. So if we can think about customer revenues, we had a quarter where customer revenues were down 7.7% and enterprise revenues were down 9% and overall Portugal revenues were down 7.4%. No doubt, you have saw in our press release that the fourth quarter top-line performance in all of our customer segments in Portugal improved, compared to the average yearly performance. In the case of residential, for example at year-end our growth was 5.4%. The fourth quarter was 3.9. I will explain to you why it was 3.9 and not stronger than 5.4% and that has to do in our view, with the fact that we are still seeing significant, competitive pressure, particularly underpinned by price promotions, especially from the cable operators in this market. In the personal segment it is the customer revenue we are talking about 7.7% down fourth quarter, 8.2% down in the year, which means an improvement in terms of performance compared to the average of the year; likewise, in the enterprise, 6.6% down in the fourth quarter but 9% down in the full year. Turning now to perhaps what we are seeing in the Portuguese market by way of impact of austerity measures and so on and so forth. We would like to call your attention to the fact that despite challenging economic backdrop and aggressive mobile termination rate and roaming price cuts, we continue to deliver in line with our peer group. We believe that the fact that we have transformed the business model of Portugal Telecom away from its traditional telephony into data and services has made our business model far more resilient and in our view has made our services a must have either we are talking about residential customers or enterprises as well. Non-voice revenues in the case of Portugal today represent already 46.6% of our total revenues. No doubt you will have seen in our presentation that the contribution of non-voice revenues in every single segment 2010, 2011 has increased substantially. In the residential for example, the non-voice revenue contribution has gone up 7.2 percentage points. In the case of personal, it’s gone up 1.7 percentage points and if we are talking about enterprises, it’s gone up 3 percentage points. So the investments we’ve made to bring today future technologies into this market is positioning us uniquely to take advantage of ICT opportunities and to transform the business model thus making if you like our financial profile a lot more resilient or if you like a lot more defensive. Of course, Portugal Telecom is not immune to the economy, but we are taking measures and we have been taking measures in the last 12 to 24 months to basically ensure that we can mitigate any downturn in terms of top-line performance with compensation, in terms of cost and discipline, in terms of cash flow. Talking a little bit about our CapEx; we’ve been spending CapEx in this company at a rate of about 22% to sales which is countercyclical to the sector. But the good news is that our CapEx program is coming to an end. The modernization of our fixed and mobile access network is pretty much complete, most likely going forward and this is probably 2013 onwards, our CapEx will increasingly will be driven by customer CapEx and of course maintenance and repairs or if you like recurring CapEx which will be much lower than the current 650 that we have reported this year or the 550 that we expect to spend in 2012. The good news also is the fact that in the context of the Portuguese market, we have been running a market share for investments in new technologies approximately 60%. This means that we believe that once the economy begins to do slightly better than what it is, once we start getting some tailwind, Portugal Telecom is uniquely poised to actually grow and gain market share and essentially grow its share of wallet if we are talking about residential or even enterprises. The investments we’ve made also position us uniquely to take if you like to deal with the exponential traffic growth that we are seeing not just in our fixed-line network but also in our mobile network. We believe that the, if you like the democratization of access of broadband devices and faster speeds means that we will be facing a data tsunami. The good news is that Portugal Telecom with investments we’ve made, we are more than ready to deal with it and if you look at some of the data that we’ve put in our own network between 2008 and 2011, we have seen data traffic peak in PT’s wireline network increased 54 folds and if you are talking about mobile, 18 folds, but we are prepared for this and we believe that the investments we’ve made will also ensure that we will have the best quality of service in this market. Faster networks, we believe will also enable more and better customer experience, independent of the services we’re talking about. If we’re talking about OTT for the residential, we believe that we will be uniquely placed to provide the best service in this market. If we’re talking about enterprise customers as well, it is also what's highlighting the fact that we have 110,000 kilometers of fiber, with connections of up to 100 gigabits per second already. With regard to the rollout of our FTTH network, we will complete 1.6 million very shortly. Most houses are already under construction may not be fully available for sales, but we expect to be available for sales by June this year. 88% of our base station, if you briefly talk about mobile already connected with fiber and they allow us to deliver commercial speeds of up to 100 megabits per second in 4G without any problems whatsoever. Last but not the least, we are also investing in the construction of a very large data center in the center of Portugal, which we believe will allow us to underpin our cloud strategy, not just to cater for the needs of Portuguese companies, but also for international companies as well. Turning now our attention to the residential segment. We have had a very busy year, where we’ve done significant number of launches of channels, of interactive services and I believe that the good news is that the Portuguese consumer is taking advantage of the rich media content offers that we are essentially developing in this market. Some of the numbers that we have already put out in the press release essentially support the view that people want just more than content. People want to have interactive experiences on top of the content that they like and we believe that the fact that we have fiber to the homes and ADSL2+ across all our country, we should be able to do that and that will be a key differentiator of the services that we offer in this market compared to if you like our cable competitors. With regard to net adds, we’ve had a very good fourth quarter; 63,000 net adds in pay-TV; 31,000 net ads in broadband and with regard to lines, our residential lines actually grew 3,000 in the fourth quarter. So if you think about unique residential customers, they were up 1% fourth quarter 2011, fourth quarter 2010, and if you think about retail revenue generating unit per access, we’ve also penetrated more our customer base and they were up 9% on the year. With regard to the financial performance, our residential revenues on the year were up 5.4% in the quarter. They were up 3.9% as I mentioned and that has a lot to do with the fact that we’ve had a lot to do with the fact that we’ve had a fourth quarter with heavy promotions, not just in the pay-TV or triple-pay offer that we have, but also in the triple-pay offer that compete with us in this market. Residential customers were up; residential ARPU pretty stable at Euros 30.9 and the good news that I would like to also highlight to you is the weight of flat fee revenues; weight of flat fee revenues in our residential segment is up 85% today compared to 76% in the fourth quarter of 2009. What this really does; it makes the financial profile of our residential segment highly predictable and we believe highly reliable because increasingly this market is beginning to understand that their full benefits in buying triple-play and conversion offers because it provides convenience, comfort and of course ultimately discount. With regard to mobile, again we’ve had our plate full in 2011 with a number of launches that have been extremely successful. One product I would like to call your attention to is TMN drive which is a drive-app and it’s one of the most downloaded drive-apps in Portugal which has been developed by TMN, our wireless commercial brand, but because we don’t believe in walled-gardens, it is also available for downloads for all mobile users in this market. The good news is that it’s done extremely well and today we believe that we have created a core competency in our company to continue to develop more apps in the future. More connected devices, faster broadband speeds are being of course promoted in this market on the back of comprehensive smartphones and tiered pricing data offers. With regard to smartphones, our market share of smartphones sales is 48%. The e-plans that I talked about in my last two conference calls continue to do extremely well. These are essentially very simple tariff plans that provide you the voice and data, unlimited, full day or just nights and the simplicity has actually been valorized by our customers and in less than a year, we now have 869,000 customers, actually using these flat fee tariffs, which in my view have higher customer lifetime value, simply because churn is significantly lower. We've also rolled out our 4G commercial offer as well. We expect to cover more than 80% of the Portuguese population with LTE by the end of April of 2012. By the end of the year we expect to cover more than 90% of the population with LTE. The innovation that we brought to bear, is not just the speed that we are offering but it’s the fact that our 4G data plan can now provide if you like traffic that can be shared between devices. If you like the sharing of bandwidth across multiple devices is now being enabled by TMN and Portugal Telecom in this market and the good news is that we've had very good feedback from customers, albeit that this is if you like a launch, it’s a soft launch of 4G. The equipment prices are still very high and therefore we don't necessarily expect to take up 4G to be significant this year, but we are prepared not just for the data tsunami, as I mentioned but also to make sure that whatever products and whatever services that we make available, live up to the expectation of customers and customers are increasingly demanding to share the bandwidth across multiple devices, simply because a large proportion of the customers now have more than one handset. One particular point that my IR director wanted me also to highlight is the fact that when one talks about SMS, we are less exposed in peer group to SMS revenues. SMS as a percentage of service revenues, in fact the average is about 16%. In the case PT its 9% and therefore the trend that you are seeing in some of the markets may not necessarily apply to the Portuguese market. With regard to the impact of the economy in terms of customer revenues, clearly revisions of GDP growth for 2011 and of course the talk around possible revisions for 2012 do have an impact in consumer confidence and in private consumption profile as well. And of course this is having direct impact in customer revenues, not just because people of course controlling spending but simply because they are doing more bargain hunting and as a result they are going after tariff plans, which are the cheapest in this market and of course their willingness to compromise quality or if you like customer care to get lower tariffs has also changed significantly in this market in the last six to twelve months. Now referring to the enterprises, again, we have had 2011 with a number of launches, particularly and focused on promoting, if you like cloud computing offers because we do believe that these integrated convergent solutions not just for logical operations but for SMEs may promote an efficient economy. Essentially, we believe the technology will allow these companies not just to reduce costs but also to become greener. With the restructurings we’ve done in the way that we approach the SME market, we’ve become a lot more savvy with regard to approaching our customers with offers. When you look at the commercial contacts that we are now doing on average, every week, compared to the same period last year, it’s up to 82%. In the case of SMEs, our revenue generating units have been up by 3% and we’re gaining market share across the board, whether we’re talking about fixed line access or mobile access. Portugal Telecom in the SME market is not happy with it’s market share. We believe that we can certainly do a lot more but I think doing more doesn’t mean that we will compete on price. We believe that doing more here means that we should bring together advantages of cloud computing to reduce the cost of our customers and therefore as opposed to competing on price, we would like to essentially alter the value proposition and ensure that our customers understand, that this value proposition will create value for them as well, long-term. ICT, we will be improving the growth outlook for large corporates and again, we’re well positioned here to participate in all these opportunities on the back of the significant investments that we have made. If you, no doubt, will have seen in the presentation, in a virtual private service, we’ve seen significant increases in 2011 and 2012. We think that of course, it’s early days. We’re coming from a small, if you like comparison numbers but I would say that the trends are there. BPO, again, has signed deals, have gone up substantially. But as you know, some of these contract for large corporates and enterprises usually have a lead and a lag time and therefore we have started the year with some good gains of some new contracts but some of these contracts do require, if you like, for us to install infrastructure. This takes a bit longer and therefore there will be some seasonality in the revenue numbers that we will be posting for 2012, but we believe we remain encouraged by the fact that the service portfolio that we are making available is living up to the expectations of our corporate customers and worth highlighting is the fact that one particular very large financial institution recently chose us to be the prime contractor and I believe that was a substantial gain for us in the Portuguese market. Again, in enterprises the weighting of non voice revenues is supporting improving revenue trends. I would not encourage you to extrapolate the 6.6% performance that we have had in the fourth quarter for the rest of 2012, because there will be seasonality, but I would say that non-voice revenues now already account for 46.4% and like in the case of residential it is making our business more resilient. In the case of enterprises it will also do the same. Now turning to Brazil; w we completed the simplification of the corporate structure of Oi as promised. It took a bit longer than we had expected but we have now completed the simplification and we have now moved from having seven share classes to only two share classes. I have referred in a number of calls earlier the advantages for us having a simple corporate structure. They are financial benefits, they are cost benefits. They are of course, also capital market benefits. Oi will now become an easier company for analysts and investors to review and analyze. We will have just a single balance sheet and we hope that this will lead us to having a better access to capital markets in the future. With the simplification of the corporate structure we also believe that the management team of Oi with the support of Board of Oi will be able to provide the market with a long-term share holder remuneration policy. In the Oi’s result announcement today, the company has indicated that they will be paying 2 billion Reais of dividends in relation to 2011 financial year. In the conference call today, no doubt you will also hear the management say that in the Investor Day the management will also provide what is the long-term shareholder remuneration policy for Oi. None of this would have been possible if we had not completed successfully the simplification of the corporate structure. The simplification of the corporate structure will also facilitate the operational turnaround. Now we do have significant operational challenges in Brazil and no doubt the financial performance that we posted today will have indicated to you that there is work to be done across the board, whether we are talking about the residential segment, whether we are talking about the personal segment or the enterprise segment. The fact of the matter is that the three core shareholders of Oi, which includes Portugal Telecom, are collaborating with the management team to ensure that we have all the resources necessary to be able to turnaround that business successfully. Oi your management team is setting a clear strategy which is focused on customer segmentation and we hope that that will deliver on results. I will not elaborate a lot on this simply because there is an Investor Day that will be held in Rio and in New York in this month of April and I wouldn’t like to steal the thunder of that Investor Day, so therefore I would expect the management to provide you significant amounts of details around the strategy of each of these segments and also on how we see the turnaround of the company being actually executed. Oi has a national footprint and we continue to believe that it has significant potential to grow as an integrated operator, whilst the mobile voice penetration in Brazil is already very high, we believe that the broadband penetration and pay-TV penetration in Brazil still has significant headway to make. With regard to the fourth quarter, there were a number of commercial initiatives that were launched and they were aimed at increasing postpaid customers, up-selling and cross-selling by leveraging fixed and mobile convergence. Now of course, all this is meant if you like significant investments. This is part of the reason why the results that were announced today in my view were below consensus, because a lot of these initiatives had not been incorporated by the market in the thinking and we hope that some of these investments will start providing if you like upside in the future. If you like they all form part of the turnaround plan which the Oi management will be sharing with you during their Investor Day. Notwithstanding this, in the fourth quarter, Oi saw solid revenue generating unit growth in personal segment which more than compensated the decline in the residential segment. The revenue performance or Oi, again as I mentioned does not reflect the impact of initiatives that were undertaken in the last quarter by Oi’s management and therefore residential revenues were still down 11% compared to the fourth quarter last year, but personal revenues were up 1.6%, total revenues were down 4.7% and as I mentioned, we hope that we can provide a lot more visibility on the future outlook of this business during the Investor Day. Oi’s financial performance when it comes to fixed-line reflects the secular trends you have seen in another markets. Clearly, the transformation that is required is very similar to what we have seen in other markets. With regard to the net debt, you saw a decline of 12.7% compared to 18% -- compared the net debt at the end of December 2010. With regard to Africa and our Asian businesses, no doubt you saw that we posted a very healthy customer growth of 21.6% in Angola, 17.1% in MTC, 2.4% in Cabo Verde to 11.2% in São Tomé, 27% in Timor and 15% in Macau. The performance of all our businesses, also financially was very robust. If you look at the proportional consolidation that we’ve made available also in our press release, top-line was up 15%, EBITDA was up 7.7% and equity income was up 4.6%. We remain focused to cut costs, operational cost discipline in our company continues to be very high. Today, I will be presenting these results also to our first line directors and of course ensuring that we all remain vigilant with regard to everything else that’s happening in this market to ensure that we continue to maintain a high level of discipline so as to mitigate any potential future impact and pressure that we may see on the top-line. EBITDA margin in Portugal is up to 45.1% about one percentage point increase compared to 2010. We believe that the structural competitive advantage of Portugal Telecom is underpinned not just by the investments we’ve made, but also by the ecosystem of partnerships that we have, international partnerships around technology that is allowing us to provide this market with significant number of innovations which in my view is underpinning market share gains across the board for us. PT’s investment in fiber-to-the-home is allowing strong customer growth, churn reduction, lower maintenance cost and lower customer CapEx; 21% of our Meo customers are now fiber customers and the good news is that the churn rate that we’re seeing in fiber customers is roughly 6 percentage points lower than the churn rate that we see usually in a copper customer. I’ve mentioned already to you, 4G for us has to do -- has a lot more – has to mean a lot more than just faster speeds. It has to mean the ability for us to on one hand, make our pay-TV offer an OTT offer and therefore through that ensure that we can accrue additional revenues going forward. But we hope that it will also allow us to if you like underpin growth in mobility by getting involved more and more with education, health and of course entertainment. The investments we’re making in our datacenter in my view will also differentiate us in the future and finally before I hand you over Luís I also would like to mention that investments we are making in terms of sustainability continue to be a strategic objective of Portugal Telecom. We remain convinced that IT can drive a greener and more efficient economy and in that regards we are very happy to again referring this conference call that we are present in most of the if you like sustainability indices in the world and this for us means that encouragements to continue to do more in this areas in the future. Let me now hand you over to Luís. Thank you very much. Luís Pacheco de Melo: Thank you Zeinal and good afternoon and as you know we started consolidating Oi in the second quarter 2011 and therefore quarter-on-quarter and year-on-year comparisons have to be bear in mind. Let me just go very quickly through review line then move to EBITDA and then to the financials, to the net debt and the cash position. As Zeinal mentioned, revenues were up 82% from the fourth quarter, 64% for the full year and it’s basically due to the consolidation of Oi. In Portugal, they were down 6.7% in the quarter and within Portugal, on the residential business they were up 3.9%, basically backed by solid growth on the residential customers RGUs and even a 3% increase in the ARPU. The ARPU increase is also despite the lower penetration of premium services as expected, due to the economic situation right now in Portugal. Non-voice revenues as Zeinal mentioned are now up 5.9% points to 60.7% and flat fees represents 85% of our residential revenues. On the personal revenues they decrease 10.7% in the quarter and customer revenues were down 7.7% and the long-term for e-plans had a positive impact but total revenues were severely impacted by the intense competition. Of course the consumer confidence that Zeinal referred to and also by the steep decline on inter connection revenues, which were down almost 32%. Total revenues on the enterprise segment declined by 6.6%. Despite the economic conditions its impact on both bankruptcies of small medium-sized companies and cost cutting initiatives by most companies, PT was able to sustain the revenue decline in the segment with its integrated and vertical offers and new cloud based services as Zeinal mentioned. Oi revenues are now appear in our total of Euro 2.4 billion for the nine months, Euro 778 million on the fourth quarter and Reais in the fourth quarter Oi revenues totaled almost Reais 7 billion, 4.7% decline with residential revenues down 11.5%, personal revenues up by 1.6% and the enterprise is down by 1.3%. Consolidated EBITDA increased by 47% in the fourth quarter, on the back of the consolidation of foreign contacts and in Portugal EBITDA declined by 6.1% to Euro 312 million in the fourth quarter and this is basically due to the 6.7% decline in operating revenues and despite the 7.1% decline in operating cost. EBITDA margins in Portugal stood at a very healthy margin of 43.5%. Wages and salaries continue to decline at 7.7% as a result of the restructuring plans implemented at the end of 2010, and extra time remunerations and also higher efficiency. With already significant scale achieved in the pay-TV offer and in our fiber penetration, we have been able to extract already scale benefits both on the content side but importantly on maintenance, repairs and also on the cost in the support services. PT continues to implement additional structural cost initiatives in order to adapt its cost base to the pressured and top-line in some of the areas in Portugal. [Oi pay-TV] for the full-year, they were down 14.8%, 19.2% in the quarter and basically a result of a top line decline, higher subsidies and [the new] commercial initiative aimed at strengthening it’s sales machine and also some customer support services. On a proportionally basis, Oi international assets posted a very solid 15.9% increase in EBITDA in the fourth quarter as a result of competitive advantage of all our assets in their respective markets, a strong economic end market dynamic in these geographies, and so as a result of substantial structural initiatives taken over the last two years in all these assets. G&A costs increased 82% to 381 million in the fourth quarter there was no consolidation of Oi, which accounted with 180 million. These amounts includes 50 million of amortization of the PTA and due to the recognition of the Oi purchase price allocation and the impact of the amortization for the full-year was 47for the nine months and we have to restate that back for the second and for the third quarter. So basically, now we have approximately Euro 15 million amortization of the PTA per quarter. Excluding in Brazil, D&A in the quarter increased 3.5% and despite a higher depreciation coming from recent investments in future growth technology and on the ATV business. TRBs increased Euro 18 million in this quarter mainly due to the Euro 31 million gain booked in the fourth quarter last year, due to the regulatory change in the pension form in 2010. Retirement costs reduced to Euro 30 million in a quarter from a Euro 135 million in the previous year. The Euro 30 million relates basically to 130 employees and last year they were 600 for the previous year they were around 630 employees. Net income time for the full year decrease to Euro 339 million and down from Euro 5.67 billion in 2007, due basically to capital gains on Vivo sales which amounted to Euro 5.5 billion. Oi’s contribution to our net income that was a negative Euro 32 million and this includes the Euro 47 million PPA amortization that I referred to as above. On the CapEx side CapEx increased 70% to Euro 520 million in the quarter and in Portugal CapEx decreased 3% in the quarter. The expected decline in CapEx supporting our Pay-TV business including the FTTH deployments and terminal equipment was partially offset by higher investments in our mobile networks, basically the swap of the 2G network and also the initial rollout of the 4G network. Going forward, we should expect an important reduction in the CapEx in Portugal. The trend already reflected on our consensus. In Brazil, Oi’s CapEx in Reais increased to 4 billion in the nine months that's reconsolidated which represents almost 18% of revenues. For the full year, Oi’s CapEx in Reais was around Reais 5 billion. Other CapEx increased 3.3% and this was basically due to the 3G CapEx in Timor. Cash flow, operating cash flow increased Euro 291 million in the fourth quarter and approximately Euro 1.2 billion for the full year due to favorable working capital during 2011. Excluding Brazil, operating cash flow stood at around Euro 800 million for the full year. With regards to free cash flow excluding the outflow related to the acquisition of Oi and the inflow from the last installment received from Telefónica and total free cash flow was around Euro 533 million. Excluding these effects and the proportional consolidation of Brazil, free cash flow so on the domestic front was Euro 720 million despite limited dividends coming from Oi last year, but this figure includes the disposal of UOL which amounted to Euro 156 million. On the financing side, net debt at the end of the year amounted to Euro 6.39 billion and includes the positive tax effects of the pension transfer and these equates to basically 2.6 times EBITDA. The Euro 4.29 billion increase in 2011 was basically result of the Euro 3.73 billion investments in Oi and Contax, the Euro 1.12 billion dividend paid by PT to its shareholders, the proportional consolidation of the net debt of Oi of Euro 2.3 billion. The free cash flow as I mentioned above was Euro 533 million and of course Euro 2 billion received from Telefónica to the sale of Vivo. Excluding Brazil, net debt stood at Euro 4.1 billion at the end of 2011 and 2011 was also an important year in terms of free financing ex-Brazil; in fact PT was able to raise Euro 2.6 billion in debt at an average spread of 200 basis points with average maturity of 4.2 years. So right now we have all our commitments until the end of 2013 fully financed. Last, just a few words on the pension, so unfunded pension liabilities after-tax at the end of year stood at Euro 694 million, a reduction from the Euro 711 million in 2010. Salaries to pre-retired and suspended employees represent more or less 85% of this amount. In Brazil, the unfunded pension obligation stood at Euro 52 million at the end of 2011. I’ll now hand you over to Zeinal for his final remarks.
Zeinal Bava
好的。谢谢,Luís。简而言之,葡萄牙电信拥有多元化的业务结构,国际投资几乎占我们收入的60%。我们拥有超过9300万用户的规模,并且资金充足直到2013年底。当然,我们并非对葡萄牙经济免疫,但住宅业务表现良好,实际上比预期更好,我们正通过保持成本纪律来补偿其他所有业务领域的压力。我们不会基于价格在这个市场竞争。在我们看来,这个市场的价格已经非常低了。我们认为我们可以增加钱包份额,但我们会保持理性。我们能够增加钱包份额,因为我们不仅在技术方面进行了正确的投资,而且我们还能够转变这家公司的能力来支撑这些投资,并通过为客户创新新服务来创造价值,因此我们相信未来我们将在这个市场全面获得份额。当然,这些是不确定的时期,虽然我们并非对经济免疫,但我们认为我们的业务更具可预测性,并且我们认为我们在宽带、付费电视和ICT方面的投资具有防御性。我们相信我们在技术投资方面做了所有正确的事情。与我们行业正在发生的情况相比,这是逆周期的,但即使考虑到我们在4G方面的投资,我们认为未来这将支撑我们依靠融合的能力,在我们看来,这将成为葡萄牙电信在这个市场的一个关键差异化因素。关于巴西和Oi;Oi的公司结构现在已经简化。自去年8月1日起,我们有了新的管理团队。转型计划已经到位;投资者日定于4月举行,我们将提供关于转型计划的重要细节,同时我们还将建立关键里程碑,以便您能够相信转型是可能的,并将由Oi实现,从而为所有股东创造价值;Oi的股东,也包括葡萄牙电信。股息已宣布为20亿雷亚尔,我们还预计在投资者日上,未来三年的新政策也将宣布,这将增加您对葡萄牙电信现金流产生的信心。葡萄牙电信在非洲和亚洲的业务也实现了全面增长。这些业务是自筹资金的。它们也产生并分配现金流。关于我们2011年的股息,我们已经确认了0.65欧元,大约43.5欧元的个人支付将在我们4月27日的股东大会后支付。非常感谢您参加本次电话会议。我自己,以及我的首席财务官Luís Pacheco de Melo、我的投资者关系总监和我的财务团队当然可以回答您可能有的任何问题。谢谢。
Zeinal Bava
Okay. Thank you, Luís. So in short, Portugal Telecom has a diversified business profile, with international investments accounting for 60% almost of our revenues. We have scale with more than 93 million subs and we are fully funded until the end of 2013. We are of course not immune to the Portuguese economy, but the residential segment is doing well. Actually, better than expected and we are trying to compensate pressure on all other segments by maintaining cost discipline. We will not be competing in this market based on price. The prices in this market in our view are already very low. We think that we can grow share of wallet, but we will be rational. We can grow the share of wallet because we have made not just the right investments in technologies, but we’ve also been able to transform if you like ability of this company to underpin these investments and generate by innovating new services for our customers and therefore we believe that we will continue to gain share across the board in this market in the future. These are of course uncertain times and whilst we are not immune to the economy, but we think that our business is more predictable and we think that the investments we’re making in broadband, pay-TV and ICT are defensive. We believe that we’ve done all the right things in terms of investments in technology. It was countercyclical compared to what was going on and what’s going on in our sector, but even if you take in to account the investments we’ve made in 4G, we think that in the future it will underpin also our ability to bank on convergence which in our view will become one of the key differentiating factor of Portugal Telecom in this market. With regard to Brazil and Oi; Oi’s corporate structure is now simplified. We have a new management team since the 1st of August of last year. The turnaround plan is in-place; Investor Day has been scheduled for April and we will provide significant details about the turnaround plan, but also we’ll establish key milestones so that you can have a confidence that the turnaround is possible and will be delivered upon by Oi and thus will create value for the whole shareholders; Oi’s shareholders, but also Portugal Telecom. The dividend has been announced Reais 2 billion and we also expect that on the Investor Day the new policy for the next three years will also be announced and this will take your comfort levels about the cash flow generation at Portugal Telecom as well. Portugal Telecom in Africa and in Asia has also seen all our businesses grow. Those businesses are self funded. They generate and distribute cash as well. With regard to our dividend in 2011, we have confirmed the Euro 0.65 and the payment, the individual payment of around Euro 43.5 will be paid after our Shareholders Meeting on the 27th of April. Thank you very much for being on this call. Myself, and Luís Pacheco de Melo, my CFO, my IR Director and my finance team are of course available to answer any questions you may have. Thank you.
Operator
我们现在将进行问答环节。(接线员指示)第一个问题来自花旗银行的Georgios Ierodiaconou。请开始提问。
Operator
We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from the line of Georgios Ierodiaconou of Citi. Please proceed with your question.
Georgios Ierodiaconou
我有两个问题。第一个是关于你们的股息决策。许多同行因为未能从市场获得足够认可而决定削减股息。你们为何没有效仿这种做法?能否分享一下你们对未来回购而非支付股息的看法?第二个问题是关于第一季度的情况,鉴于今天是本季度最后一天,能否谈谈你们认为第一季度表现如何,特别是葡萄牙市场?谢谢。
Georgios Ierodiaconou
I have two questions please. The first one is on your decision for the dividend. A lot of your peers decided to cut their dividends because they were not getting enough credit from the market. Why didn't you follow that example? And can you share your views around buyback going forward instead of paying a dividend potentially? And my second question is around the first quarter, given that we are on the last day of the quarter, can you give us some color about how you think it went particularly Portugal? Thank you.
Zeinal Bava
好的。非常感谢Georgios的提问。在过去两个任期内,我们有着向股东提供优质回报的悠久历史。本届董事会和管理团队一直致力于以增加股息和/或股票回购的形式向股东返还现金。我们当前的股息以及过去对未来股息的承诺都牢固地基于我们预期的自由现金流。我们仍然相信,葡萄牙电信的自由现金流支撑着我们按照行业惯例和市场共识支付股息的灵活性。我们的资金状况一直充足到2013年底。话虽如此,我想借此机会表示,我们当然对股价低迷感到沮丧,并对由此带来的高股息收益率感到有些不安。我们股票的收益率甚至超过了那些现金流可靠性更低、运营业绩记录更差的公司发行的垃圾债券。因此,我们确认了65美分的股息,这与我们过去的承诺保持一致。我们将在4月27日召开股东大会,任命新一届董事会,新董事会基本上与现任董事会相同,但将进行正式任命。我相信,新一届董事会在未来召开会议时,会考虑股东回报策略。因此,我倾向于不再详细阐述这一点,因为4月27日我们将任命新董事会,届时应该由董事会根据我之前提到的所有因素来考虑合适的回报策略。关于第一季度趋势,除了我在结束语中提到的,我不想过多讨论细节。我们看到住宅业务板块表现强劲、稳健。在宽带和付费电视销售等关键绩效指标方面,我们继续看到坚实的表现。从这个角度来看,住宅业务板块的趋势令人鼓舞。关于移动业务和企业业务,我认为现阶段很难与您进行深入讨论,因为消费模式的变化非常频繁,每周、每月都在变化。因此,这些板块将继续面临压力,但考虑到这一点,我们在公司内部保持着高度的成本纪律。这样我们才能继续实现现金流,并用这些现金流继续履行我们对股东和债券持有人的承诺。谢谢。
Zeinal Bava
Okay. Thank you very much Georgios for your questions. We've had a long history of delivering a premium shareholders remuneration for the last two mandates. This Board and this management team, we've worked hard to return cash to shareholders, in the form of rising dividends and/or share buybacks. Our current dividend and what we've said in the past about future dividends was solidly based on our expected free cash flow. We continue to believe that the free cash flow of Portugal Telecom underpins our flexibility to pay dividends in line with what the sector is doing and what is expected by if you like the consensus. We are fully funded until the end of 2013. Having said that, I would like may be to take this opportunity to say that we are of course frustrated with our low share price and we look on the resulting high yield offered by the shares with some dismay. The yield on our shares exceeds that of junk bonds of companies with much less dependable cash flows and less record in delivering strong operating performance. So we have confirmed a 65 cents in line with the promises we have made in the past. We now have a shareholder’s meeting on the 27th of April that will appoint the new Board of Directors, which pretty much is the same as the current one but we will have a formal, if you like, appointment and I am confident that this new Board of Directors in the future will reflect on the shareholder remuneration strategy when it convenes. So I prefer not to actually elaborate on this point anymore simply because on 27th we will be appointing a new Board and we should expect the Board to then consider what is the right remuneration strategy, when it convenes, based on like all these other things that I have said earlier. With regard to the quarter with the first quarter trends, again I will not like to go into lot of details other than to say that as I said in my closing remarks, we are seeing the residential segment robust, strong. We are continuing to see, I would say a solid performance in terms of, if you like key performance indicators around, if you like sales of broadband and pay-TV. So from that standpoint I would say that the trends on the residential segment encouraging. With regard to mobile and with regard to enterprises, I would say that it is very difficult for us to at this stage get into significant discussions with you, because the changes in the profile of consumption, changes very often week to week and month to month. So I would say that those are the segments will continue to remain under pressure but it is by taking that in to account that we’re maintaining high level of cost discipline in our company. So that we can continue to deliver on the cash flow and with that cash flow, we can continue to honor old commitments that we have made to shareholders and bond holders. Thank you.
Operator
下一个问题来自汇丰银行的Luigi Minerva。请提问。
Operator
Our next question comes from Luigi Minerva of HSBC. Please proceed with your question.
Luigi Minerva
是的。下午好。第一个问题是关于移动定价。在第11页,您提到了经济情况,我想知道随着数据量的急剧增长,是否会对移动网络容量造成压力。运营商是否有可能通过某种形式的定价权来反映数据需求的增长?我想了解您对此的看法,以及您是否看到这方面的证据?第二个问题是关于西班牙的情况,我们看到Telefónica和部分Vodafone正在取消手机补贴。我想了解您对此的看法,以及您认为这种方法是否适用于葡萄牙等其他市场?谢谢。
Luigi Minerva
Yes. Good afternoon. The first question is on mobile pricing. On page 11, you mentioned about the economy and I was wondering if with the dramatic increasing data the result may lead pressure on the mobile capacity. Would a natural development be some form of pricing power for the operator to reflect the higher demand for data. I was wondering if you can share your views on these where you see some form of evidence with it? And second point is on happening we are seeing in Spain, Telefónica and partially Vodafone removing handsets subsidies. I was wondering on what are your views on about it and if you believe that an approach that would be applicable to other market like Portugal? Thanks
Zeinal Bava
好的,谢谢Luigi。让我从第二个问题开始。关于手机补贴,我们无意改变在这个市场的自身政策。我认为每个市场都有不同的情况。在这个市场,我们将继续按照以往的方式进行补贴。话虽如此,正如您所知,过去几年葡萄牙移动行业在补贴方面变得更加理性,特别是在预付费市场领域,因此如果您查看我们在葡萄牙移动业务的用户获取成本,过去几年一直在下降,很大程度上是因为补贴减少了。尽管如此,我们不会改变这方面的政策和战略,而且我理解我们在葡萄牙的竞争对手也表示他们无意改变政策。所以这个市场将继续按照过去的方式运作。关于tsunami的两个要点。首先,我们已经进行了所有必要的投资,葡萄牙电信作为综合运营商的好处之一是,我们将能够将流量从移动网络卸载到固定网络,不仅通过我们所有客户家中的路由器,还可以利用我们在里斯本几乎所有关键地点部署的Wi-Fi热点,因此葡萄牙消费者知道,如果他们成为葡萄牙电信的客户,他们将受益。他们不仅受益于我们能够提供最佳服务质量(因为能够在移动和固定网络之间进行流量卸载),而且他们知道由于我们能够做到这一点并且拥有如此广泛的Wi-Fi覆盖,他们可以在真正需要时在没有Wi-Fi覆盖的移动环境中使用移动流量。因此,他们实际上也获得了价格上的好处,通过这种方式,从葡萄牙电信购买无线宽带的全额客户。我实际上并不认为作为运营商,我们会因为人们在移动中使用更多服务而拥有定价权。话虽如此,值得强调的是,在这个市场上存在的无限数据套餐都有公平使用政策,因此我们相信,在数据方面,这个市场比一般的欧洲市场更加理性。尽管如此,我们最近非常惊讶地发现,我们的一位竞争对手在4G推出时过度补贴手机,我们也跟进了,因为我们非常明确地向市场表明,我们不准备失去市场份额。现在是葡萄牙电信利用我们在技术投资方面的结构性竞争优势来获取市场份额的时候。所以我们不会因为价格而失去份额,尽管正如我在介绍中所说,我们不会或更倾向于不进行价格竞争,因为我们坦率地相信客户越来越重视可靠性和服务质量,正是在这个层面上,我们希望实现差异化。所以我认为定价权非常有限,但通过实施公平使用政策来确保非重度用户的服质量不受其他客户非理性使用的影响,这是一种理性行为。谢谢。
Zeinal Bava
Okay, thank you Luigi. Let me start with the second question. With regard to handset subsidies, we have no intention of changing our own policies in this market. I think each market has a different story to tell. In this market, we will continue to subsidize the way we have. Having said that, as you know, in the last few years, the mobile sector in Portugal has become more rational, when it comes to subsides particularly in the prepaid segment of the market and therefore if you look at the subscriber acquisition cost of our mobile business in Portugal, it has been coming down over the last few years in great part because subsidies have come down. Having said that, we will not be changing our policies and our strategy in that regard and I understand that our competitors in Portugal have also indicated that they have no intention of changing their policies as well. So this market will continue to operate as it has been in the past. With regard with the date of tsunami two or points. First and foremost we have made all the investments necessary for and part of the benefits of the Portugal Telecom as an integrated operator is that we will be able to offload traffic from mobile to fix using not just, if you like, the routers that we have in the homes of all our customers but also on the back of Wi-Fi hot spots that we have, pretty much in the all the key places here in Lisbon and therefore Portuguese consumers know that if they are clients of Portugal Telecom they stand to benefit. They stand to benefit not just because we will be able to provide them the best quality of service, because of the ability, if you like off-load between mobile and fixed, but they also know that because we can actually do that and we have such an extensive coverage of Wi-Fi that they will be able to use their mobile traffic when it is really necessary on the move where there is no Wi-Fi coverage. So they are in effect if you like price benefits ass well and through that full customers that are buying wireless broadband from Portugal Telecom. I don’t actually believe that as operators we will have pricing power simply because people are using more services on the move. Having said that, it is worth highlighting that in this market, the unlimited data plans that do exist are data plans which have fair usage policies and as a result, we believe that when it comes to data this market has been more rational than the sort of average European market. Having said that, we were very recently surprised by the fact that one of our competitors in the 4G launch subsidized handsets more than they should, we followed suit, because we very clearly indicated to the market here that we are not prepared to lose market share. This is the time when Portugal Telecom has what it takes in order to translate the structural competitive advantage of the investments we have made in technology to gain share. So we will not lose share based on price, although as I said in my introduction, we will not or we prefer not to compete on price because we frankly believe that customers are beginning to value if you like reliability and quality of service increasingly more and it’s in that plan that we would like to actually differentiate ourselves. So pricing power I think very limited, but rational behavior by if you like bringing to bear fair usage policies to ensure that the customers that are not have users are not seeing the quality of their service impacted by some irrational usage by other clients. Thank you.
Operator
我们的下一个问题来自BBVA的Ivon Leal。请开始提问。
Operator
Our next question comes from Ivon Leal of BBVA. Please proceed with your question.
Ivon Leal
关于巴西有几个问题,虽然Oi在托管方面有些领先,但您能否分享一下是否有任何迹象表明你们正在扭转固网向移动替代的价格趋势?实际上,看起来巴西在最近一个季度反而加速了而不是减速?第二个问题是,看起来Oi已经在第四季度做出了重大努力以恢复移动业务的商业吸引力。您认为公司是否急于恢复市场份额,即使这意味着要承担高额的移动终端费率(MTR)?我猜除此之外,流量对用户来说更具吸引力?
Ivon Leal
Just a couple of questions on Brazil, it's a bit ahead of in custody of Oi, but may be you could share with us if there is any clue where you are reversing the fixed-to-mobile substitution price. Actually, it looks there have been acceleration in Brazil for the latest quarter’s instead of decelerating? And the second one, it looks Oi has already made some significant efforts in fourth quarter in order to recover commercial traction on the mobile. Do you think the company is in a hurry to recover market share even at due to high MTR rates, I guess beyond that traffic is much more attractive for subscribers?
Zeinal Bava
关于移动业务,我认为与我之前的评论保持一致非常重要,葡萄牙电信相信,一家综合性电信公司要想表现出色,就必须在移动性方面保持强势。此外,如果您观察客户日益购买的各种手机和设备,它们越来越以移动为中心,因此正如我过去所说,在移动领域排名第四并不在我们的舒适区内,因为我们从根本上相信,要想在未来电信行业取得成功,您必须在融合方面引领潮流,当然也要在与移动性相关的一切领域发挥重要作用。因此,对移动业务的关注从根本上源于这样一种观点:您需要在移动性方面表现出色,才能实现长期成功。当您考虑巴西时,有两点值得强调:移动渗透率已经非常高。话虽如此,随着世界杯和奥运会的到来,我们将看到该市场出现一些颠覆性变化,同时也要理解4G已经出现,该市场很可能会实现跨越式发展,仅仅是因为从固定线路基础设施的角度来看,其在速度等方面已经滞后。关于固定移动业务蚕食效应及巴西市场的挑战,它们与其他市场的情况并无太大差异。例如,我们自己在葡萄牙过去也经历过非常类似的趋势,这就是为什么今天我很高兴在我们的演示文稿中加入了一张幻灯片,向您展示了我们85%的固定线路或住宅收入(如果您愿意这么说)来自固定费用,这使我们在未来的语音流量收入方面更具免疫力。因此,该市场也需要类似的重新定位。这就是为什么该市场的大多数运营商开始从单一业务转向双重业务再到三重业务捆绑,所以这与其他市场的趋势并无太大不同。当然,这需要投资,但更重要的是,它还需要这些公司的DNA发生重大变化,过去它们只销售语音业务,而现在转向(如果您愿意这么说)一个销售固定费用三重业务捆绑的业务,这主要将由它们向客户提供的电视体验类型所支撑。因此,我认为您不会仅仅因为移动终端费率(MTRs)及其下降而左右摇摆。一个不争的事实是,语音业务中发生的蚕食效应也将在固定和移动数据业务中发生,除非您能够发展和现代化您的固定线路产品。这就是为什么如果您以葡萄牙电信为例,我们已经从单一业务转向三重业务捆绑,并且未来我们也希望转向四重业务捆绑。谢谢。
Zeinal Bava
And with regard to mobile, and I think to be very consistent with comments I have made previously, we, Portugal Telecom, believe that in order for an integrated Telco to do well, you need to be strong in mobility. Also if you look at the range of handsets and devices that are being increasingly bought by customers, they are more and more mobile centric and therefore being number four in mobile as I have said in the past is not in our comfort zone, because we fundamentally believe that in order for you to do well in the future in telecoms, you have to lead the way in terms of convergence, but also of course have an important role in everything that has to do with mobility. So therefore if you like the focus on mobile has to do fundamentally with a view that you need to do well in mobility in order to do well long-term. And when you think about Brazil, two things worth highlighting is that penetration of mobile is already very high. Having said that, with the advent of the World Cup and the Olympic Games, we will see some disruption happen in that market, also understanding that 4G is out there now and that market is likely to leapfrog simply because the fixed-line infrastructure from that standpoint has lagged in terms of speeds and so on and so forth. With regard to fixed-mobile cannibalization and the challenges in Brazil, they are not very dissimilar to what you’ve seen in other markets. We ourselves, for example, in Portugal, went through very similar sort of trends in the past and that’s why today I know I was very pleased in including a slide in our presentation where we showed to you that 85% of our fixed-line or residential if you like revenues coming from flat fees which is making us more immune from if you like voice traffic revenues in terms of the future. So similar sort of repositioning will be required in that market. This is why most operators in that market are beginning to move from single to double to triple play, so it's not a very dissimilar trend to other markets. It will require investments of course, but more importantly, it will also require a significant change in the DNA of these companies that in the past we used to selling just voice and now moving to if you like a business where they’ll be selling a flat fee triple-play which will be underpinned mainly by the sort of TV experience which they make available to customers. So, and I don't think you will go right or left simply because there is MTRs and those are falling. It’s a fact of life that that cannibalization that happened in voice will happen also in data in terms of fixed and mobile, unless you are able to evolve and modernize your fixed-line offer. And this is one of the reasons why if you take Portugal Telecom here, we’ve moved from single to triple-play and going forward, we would like to move to quadruple play as well. Thank you.
Operator
我们的下一个问题来自高盛集团的Tim Boddy。请开始提问。
Operator
Our next question comes from Tim Boddy of Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
Tim Boddy
我有两个问题。第一个是关于你们如何看待欧元区重大干扰的备用计划和情景,以及货币成员资格隐私方面的疑问。在这种情况下,你们有哪些大幅去杠杆化和降低股东风险的选项?股息在其中扮演什么角色?第二个是更偏向运营的问题,你们现在总体上电视用户数已超过宽带用户数,能否帮助我们理解这些业务未来的趋势;随着电视业务持续增长,其中有多少是卫星电视用户,多少是IPTV用户?电视业务的追赶是否会对你们的增长构成限制?
Tim Boddy
I have two questions. The first is just around how you think about sort of back-up plan and scenarios for the significant disruption in the Euro-zone and question marks around membership privacy of currency. What are your options to dramatically de-lever and reduce risk for shareholders in that scenario and how does the dividend play into that? And then secondly, a more operational question, you’ve now managed to get more TV subs than broadband subs broadly overall, can you help us understand the trend looking forward for those businesses; as you keep growing in TV, how many of those are satellites and how many are IPTV and is there a constraint on your growth as a result of that catch-up on TV?
Zeinal Bava
关于您的第一个问题,我认为如果您认可我们公司已采取的措施——正如我们CFO已经提到的——您知道,我们直到2013年都有充足的资金。如果您看看我们今天发布的演示文稿,我们还向您展示了在2011年我们能够对现有的一些信贷额度进行再融资,而且看到葡萄牙共和国能够在市场上以比几个月前好得多、更具吸引力的利率获得融资,这也非常令人鼓舞。因此,我认为所有这些迹象都非常令人鼓舞,当您看到葡萄牙政府在这方面为达到再融资计划的预期而采取的措施时,似乎在欧洲获得了良好的支持水平。因此,我们希望认为,基于当前市场正在发生的一切,对于像我们这样最终将不得不在国际资本市场进行再融资的公司来说(不是现在,不是明年,但可能是后年),所有这些都令人鼓舞。因此,最近几周的事件在这方面极其令人鼓舞。 我们采取的措施是:我们已经为自己融资到2013年底。我们大幅加强了对资金使用方向的审查,并且我们已经从已完成的重大现代化投资中获益。因此,与许多仍在争论是否铺设光纤、何时部署LTE的同行公司不同,我们已经完成了所有这些工作。或者说,我们已经做好准备,只待增加我们的知识份额。因此,当葡萄牙经济真正开始复苏时,我们将在所有这些新服务领域全面获得市场份额。我们一直在为此做准备,当然,我们公司的现金纪律从未如此严格,您无疑已经从我们今天公布的数据中看到两点:成本纪律——成本下降了;第二,我们预计2012年的资本支出将减少1亿欧元。 话虽如此,您知道并需要提醒的是,我们三分之一的资本支出是客户驱动的,这意味着我们的资本支出具有天然的对冲,因为如果我们不销售,就不会产生这些资本支出。但我们确实希望我们能够销售,因为我们认为这是正确的质量。这是您希望在我们现金流中看到的高质量资本支出,因为它将为您长期产生收入。 关于我们的电视业务、付费电视表现,我们对当前获得市场份额的速度感到非常满意。我们认为我们正以0.6%、0.7%的速度获得份额,我们大约有三分之一是DTH客户,略少一些,我可以说大约25%是DTH客户,其余的是IPTV、ADSL、光纤IPTV客户。我们已经突破了百万大关,这对我们来说是一个关键的里程碑,因为我们在谈判内容合同时具有协同效应。好消息是,如今这个市场的大多数内容提供商都希望与我们积极合作,也因为我们的平台能够通过互动服务来增强内容电视体验,因此我们正在开发新的模式来产生额外收入,主要是广告收入。 在我们大约100万的订阅用户中,约有25%-26%是DTH用户,我们认为未来我们希望继续增加住宅客户细分市场的固定费用套餐比例。目前我们达到85%。如果我们继续以当前的方式销售,我们应该能够提高这一比例。另外需要提醒您的是,我们的DTH客户也是三重播放或双重播放客户,因为我们优先向那些已经是我们的固定电话客户或拥有固定电话和宽带的客户销售DTH服务。 本季度,您可能会看到DTH表现优于前几个季度,因为我们正在关闭模拟电视信号,这导致一些人质疑此时是否要购买付费电视,因此我们看到DTH付费电视销售因此有所回升。但我可以说,这种运行速度大约是26%、27%的DTH,其余是IPTV,我们对0.6%、0.7%的份额增长感到非常满意,因为我们相信在葡萄牙的某些地区和某些客户细分市场中,我们已经要么是共同领导者,要么是领导者。谢谢。
Zeinal Bava
And with regard to your first question, and I think if you like the measures that we’ve taken as a company has already been referred to by our CFO, you know, we are fully funded until 2013. And if you look at the presentation we put out today, we also showed to you that in 2011 we were able to refinance some of the existing credit lines that we have and it also has been very encouraging to see that the Portuguese Republic has been able to fund itself in the market at much, much better or more attractive rates than it used to a few months ago. So I think all these signs are very encouraging and when you look at the measures that are being taken in that regard, by the Portuguese government to live up to the expectations of whatever the, if you like the refinancing plan was, would seem to be getting good level of support in Europe. So we would like to think that all that is happening right now on the back of what's being done in this market is encouraging for companies such as ourselves that will have to eventually, not now, not next year, but then maybe the year after next will have to refinance themselves in the international capital market. So the recent events or the events of the recent weeks have been extremely encouraging in that regard. So the measures we've taken is that we have funded ourselves until the end of 2013. We have increased substantially the scrutiny as to where we spend our money and here we have the benefit of having made significant modernization investments already. So, therefore contrary to a lot of our peer group companies that are still debating whether to do fiber, when to do LTE, we've done all of that. Or if anything we've positioned ourselves to just increase our share of knowledge. So the day we actually get some tailwind and the day we get the Portuguese economy actually picking up a little bit, we will be there, basically gaining market share across the board in all of these new services that we are developing. So we have been preparing ourselves for that and of course the cash discipline in our company has never been higher and you will have no doubt seen in two things that in the numbers that we put out today cost discipline, costs were down. And number two that we are projecting that CapEx 2012 will be 100 million lower. Having said that as you know and just to remind one third of our CapEx is customer driven, which means that we have a natural hedge in our CapEx simply because if we are not, if we don’t sell we are not going to incur that CapEx but we do hope that we do sell, because we think that is the right quality. That is the good quality CapEx that you would like to see in our cash flow because it will be generating revenues for you long-term. With regards to our TV, our Pay-TV performance, we are absolutely delighted with the rate at which we are gaining share right now. We think we are gaining share at the rate of 0.6%, 0.7% and we have an average one third DTH customers and a bit less, I would say about 25% DTH customers and the rest are either IPTV, ADSL, IPTV fiber customers. So we have gone above the million mark, which for us was a key milestone because of the, if you like the synergies that we have in negotiating content contracts. The goods news is that today most content providers in this market would like to engage with us actively, also because our platform allows you to underpin the content TV experience with interactive services and therefore we are saying, if you like, we are also developing new models for generating additional revenues mainly for example advertising. So we have out of the sort of million subs, about 25%-26% DTH subs and we think going forward it is our wish to continue to increase the flat fees that we have in our residential customer segment. We are at 85% right now. If we continue to sell the way, we are doing right now we should be able to increase that. Now if you know, just also to remind you our DTH customers are also triple play customers or double play customers, because we are preferentially selling DTH to those customers that are our clients that either have our fixed line phones or if they have all fixed line and all broadband. This first quarter, you are likely to see a better performance of DTH, compared to previous quarters because we’re switching off the analog TV signal and that if you like led to some people actually questioning whether they would want to buy Pay TV at this time and therefore we’re seeing a pickup in DTH, Pay TV sales because of that. But I would say that this sort of run rate is about 26%, 27% DTH and the rest is IPTV and we’re very happy with the 0.6%, 0.7% that would be gaining because we believe that in certain geographies in Portugal and in certain customer segments in Portugal, we are already either co-leaders or leaders. Thank you.
Operator
下一个问题来自巴克莱资本的John Daniel。请提问。
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of John Daniel with Barclays Capital. Please proceed with your question.
John Daniel
大家好,我有三个非常简短的问题。第一个问题,能否简要说明一下2012年合理的自由现金流估算。其次,第四季度企业收入中是否存在一次性项目?最后一个问题,我知道你们目前不需要进行融资,但能否评论一下如果进行融资的成本,也就是说,如果考虑融资的话?
John Daniel
Hi, there I have three very quick questions. The first one, can you just walk us through a sensible free cash flow estimate for 2012. Secondly, was there a one-off in enterprise revenue in the fourth quarter? And then a final question, I know, you don’t need to choose funding anytime but can you comment on the cost of funding if you were to do it, you know, if you look at funding?
Zeinal Bava
Luís,请回答这些问题好吗? Luís Pacheco de Melo:谢谢。我们先从融资成本开始。现阶段,我提到过,我们的资金已完全到位。我们的平均债务成本今年将略有上升,这主要是因为我们的存款现金减少,而存款相对于我们的平均债务成本获得了较好的回报,正如你们所见。我们曾表示,我们的总债务成本约为4.3%,净债务的平均成本约为3.3%。随着现金余额的减少,净债务成本应该会下降,平均成本应略有上升。另一方面,我们已经偿还了其中一笔成本高于我们平均债务成本的债券,因此我们也从中获得了一些好处。但总体而言,我们的平均债务成本应该会上升,但全年来看,不应达到我们平均债务成本的4.3%。关于自由现金流,你需要参考市场对EBITDA和资本支出的共识数据。除此之外,税收方面,全年大约为3000万欧元;利息全年约为2亿欧元;PRB(养老金相关负债)全年约为1.65亿欧元;以及来自国际公司的股息,正如我们所见,我们将从Oi获得约1.3亿欧元,从其他公司获得约1.5亿欧元。所以,从Oi获得约1.3亿欧元,从其余公司获得额外的1.5亿欧元,我们从中收到了[股息]。
Zeinal Bava
Luís, would like to answer these questions please? Luís Pacheco de Melo: Thank you. Let's start with the cost of funding. At this stage, I mentioned, we are fully funded. In the way our average cost of debt will tend to go up slightly this year that is basically due to because we have less cash in deposits, which we’re getting a good remuneration vis-à-vis our average cost of debt, as you have seen. We’ve stated that our cost of debt gross was around 4.3% and the average over the net debt is around 3.3%. So with the reduction of cash balances it should come down and average costs should go up slightly. On the other hand, we have repaid now one of the bonds which have higher costs than the average cost of debt that we have and therefore we also get some benefit from there. But all-in-all, our average cost of debt should go up, but it shouldn't for the full year, it shouldn't reach the 4.3% as our average cost of debt. In terms of the free cash flow, you would have to pick-up the consensus numbers both on EBITDA and CapEx. In addition to that, in taxes we should have around Euro 30 million for the year; interest something around Euro 200 million for the year; PRBs at around Euro 165 million for the year and dividends coming from international companies, as we’ve seen we will have around Euro 130 million from Oi and around Euro 150 million for the rest of the company. So around Euro 130 million from Oi and an additional Euro 150 million for the remaining companies and from which we received the [dividend].
John Daniel
企业收入中是否存在一次性项目?
John Daniel
Was there a one-off in enterprise revenues?
Zeinal Bava
没有,没有。
Zeinal Bava
No, no.
Operator
目前没有更多问题。现在请将发言权交还给管理层进行结束语。
Operator
There are no further questions at this time. I would like to hand the floor back over to management for closing comments.
Zeinal Bava
好的,非常感谢。也许再补充几点关于路易斯刚才提到的企业业务方面,没有任何一次性项目。话虽如此,正如我提到的,确实存在一些季节性因素,因为我们在企业部门赢得的一些合同通常涉及安装工作,因此有时您可能会在某些季度看到收入峰值。但我想说的是,没有一次性项目,但您实际上可以预期这些收入会有一些季节性波动。非常感谢您参加本次电话会议。和往常一样,我的投资者关系总监、首席财务官和我本人都可以回答您可能有的任何进一步问题。正如我在总结发言中所说,虽然我们认为经济环境仍然非常具有挑战性,但葡萄牙电信的管理团队和员工对我们为这家公司制定的战略仍然非常投入。所以我们知道自己的位置,我们知道要达到的目标,并且我们继续得到董事会的大力支持,在这种环境下董事会完全支持我们。因此,我们仍然保持动员状态,并将继续努力为所有股东创造价值。再次非常感谢您参加本次电话会议。谢谢。再见。
Zeinal Bava
Okay, thank you very much. Perhaps just add a couple of things on what Luís just mentioned, with regard to enterprises, there were no one-offs. Having said that, there is some seasonality as I mentioned, because some of these contracts that we win on the enterprises segment usually they do involve installation and therefore sometimes you may see some peaks in one quarter. But I would say that no one-offs, but you can actually expect some seasonality in those revenues. So I would like to thank very much to you for being on this call. And as usual, my IR Director, my CFO and myself are available to answer any further questions you may have offline. And as I said in my concluding remarks, whilst we believe that the economic environment remains very challenging, the management team and employees of Portugal Telecom remain very committed with the strategy that we have already established for this company. So we know where we are, we know where we have to get to and we do continue to enjoy also significant support from our Board which in this sort of environment is fully backing us. So we remain, I would say mobilized and we will continue to work to create value for all our shareholders. And again, thank you very much for being on this call. Thank you. Bye-bye.
Operator
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Operator
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